Ep 53: Space and Humanity with Dr. Shehzad Batliwala

Physicians come from diverse backgrounds and have many passions.  This is a special 2-part interview series to celebrate the Fourth of July at the Dare to Dream Physician.   I interview an extraordinary guest who shares his poignant immigrant story and honestly reflects on the challenges and gains he has experienced from childhood to adolescence, and now in adulthood.  We dive into profound reflections on:

❤️ Recognizing signs of life transition.
❤️ Embracing both loyalty to and boundaries with our loved ones.
❤️ How we easily default to living life running from past trauma and fears.
❤️Taking a break to discover ourselves and our passions.
❤️ What results when we are running toward our dreams despite our fears.
❤️ How perspective changes everything.  Pause, look up, and expand our view.

I love this phenomenal conversation with Dr. Shehzad Batliwala, who is an ophthalmologist and entrepreneur.  He is the man behind Visionary Doc, with multiple passions in medicine, politics, technology, and space.

Listen to part 2 of this inspiring conversation on this week's episode of the Dare to Dream Physician Podcast!

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Transcript

Dr. Gray, Host 0:00

Welcome back to another episode of the dare to dream physician podcast. I'm so honored to bring you part two of this phenomenal interview with Dr. Shaza bat. He's an ophthalmologist and an entrepreneur, and he has a fascinating life story and a fascinating vision for the future. If you have not listened to last week's episode, episode 52, living the American dream. I suggest you add that to your cue and listen to that. After you finish listening to this one, both parts of the interview are just phenomenal and you don't wanna miss either of these episodes. They're just so, so good. Let's dive in. We are picking up from the last part of episode 52, where Dr. Shaza describes the moment when his father was finally able to return to the us from India after an unexpectedly long stay due to the COVID pandemic.

Dr. Shehzad Batliwala 0:55

basically what was supposed to take two, three weeks ended up taking about 18 months. So he came back August of 2021. Okay. And by this time I had graduated residency, on my residency graduation day. he was on his iPad, chiming in from India. And I took a picture. I remember the picture like my mom was standing next to me, my sister, and I'm holding the iPad with him on there. And he was like, he was crying cause he couldn't be here, from my residency graduation. So anyways, so he comes back two months after that, August of 20, 21 and a day before his birthday. So you can't make this stuff up. And so when he came with his green card and I can't explain to you how that felt. I just felt like this entire, this weight just lifted off my shoulder. Because this thing that we were after for 25 years, we finally got it. We finally had the green card.

Dr. Gray, Host 1:44

Wow.

Dr. Shehzad Batliwala 1:45

And that left a void in me, of what do I do now?

Dr. Gray, Host 1:49

Um,

Dr. Shehzad Batliwala 1:49

the stresses are over for all intents and purposes, you know? And so anyway, I say all that to say that after that point is when I really woke up and started living for myself.

Dr. Gray, Host 2:03

mm.

Dr. Shehzad Batliwala 2:04

Because then I really didn't need to live for my family and mine. They got his, he got his green card. Um, he was back in the states, so you could handle the family business again. and I could finally, for the first time, really in my life that I remember I could finally breathe and just figure out what I wanted to do in life. And that's where the boundaries are important. Because I basically erased all boundaries my entire life. It was just, whatever needed to happen for my family. I was.

Dr. Gray, Host 2:32

Um,

Dr. Shehzad Batliwala 2:33

But at some point it starts to take a toll on, you started to take a toll on my relationship with my parents. Right? Cause you know, resentment and those things, those are powerful emotions that start to set in a little bit.

Dr. Gray, Host 2:47

oh, I love that. You said that because for me, resentment is always a guide that I use to determine. How I want to have my relationships, right? Because if I find myself feeling resentful, then that's when I start questioning, the boundaries actually is a really good way of thinking about it. I start questioning if this is making me feel resentful, how do I, what do I do differently? So I don't feel resentful because I don't want to feel resentful to where my loved ones.

Dr. Shehzad Batliwala 3:11

A hundred percent. that is so much wiser than myself, because it took me a very long time to understand that, Because I, that was brewing for a long time and, I would lash out and be irritated and I just never knew what that meant. I really couldn't process my emotions. Um, and just, going through therapy and all of that, I'm starting to realize what it means to have some boundaries in place and, get away from resent for relationships and kind of start living for yourself for once. that's the long-winded answer. I think to your question is I'm just teaching myself boundaries and learning about that. and that brought me to this awareness that man I've been living my entire life chasing essentially security from money, I have intense money trauma, and I'm basically living my life, um, running away from that problem, which is why I'm chasing refractive surgery and all these things. And I actually in the middle of my fellowship, I had a conversation with my mentor, Dr. and, he's an amazing guy, super supportive. I discussed some of this that we're talking about with him. And I told him, look, I think I need to figure out what it is that I'm really passionate about because I'm not a hundred percent convinced that it's medicine or ophthalmology or refractive surgery. It may be, and I'm really good at those things. I'm good at my craft. And I have now come to enjoy ophthalmology and I'll tell you why later, but, at the time I just really didn't know. And so I basically told them that, look, I think I need to take a break and just basically go and discover myself, follow my passions, chase my passions. Well, first figure out what those even are. Um, so I resigned from fellowship, six months in, I basically, we called it an early graduation because I had reached all my milestones and numbers volume line. I took a break and over the past six months, I've just really tried to center myself and figure out what sort of life I want to live. this is where you come in, right? This is your expertise. You are very good at guiding people on how to live a life of their choosing. Um, and so long story short, I realized that what makes me happy at least right now is I work part-time as an ophthalmologist. So I work three days a week doing ophthalmology, and it's actually increased my love for ophthalmology medicine. anything is good in moderation and, medicine and ophthalmology, they fit a very specific role for me in my life. There's a lot more to me than medicine or than being an ophthalmologist. And so the rest of the time I'm pursuing an MBA. On the space economy, and we can get into that. and I am doing, um, a lot of real estate as well. multi-family projects, new constructions, things like that. and there's a reason why I'm doing all of these things, but it just, that is what at least at this stage of my life is the meaningful fulfillment for me. And I'm just discovering myself.

Dr. Gray, Host 6:08

Oh, I love, I love all of this, so good. And it's amazing. the, that, that was such a courageous thing that you did, right? when you recognize that, when you came to the realization that, you know, you wanted to take a break for yourself and that, that's amazing that you made that decision.

Dr. Shehzad Batliwala 6:27

Yeah. I mean, it was extremely difficult because that's. not me, right? I'm not a quitter. I don't ever know resign or quit in the middle of things. I'm always finished everything that I have started. And so to, stop in the middle of, it was extremely difficult for me to do, but I think it was necessary at that moment in my life. You know, I'm not convinced if it was the right sort of move, but I am convinced that it was the right move at that time. Right. And there's a difference. at that time I needed to center myself because let's say you keep going, a lot of us, a lot of people listening might be in a situation where you just keep going. Even though deep down, you know, you shouldn't, you should pivot, You should stop or pivot, but you keep going. And I'm now a firm believer. If you don't really feel good about what you're doing on against. If something's just knowing at you, eating away at you, that this isn't the life I want to live. You're not going to be really good at like, you won't be your best. I was a good, I'm good at practicing and a good ophthalmologist. Um, but I don't think I was giving Dr. like my absolute best, and that's not fair. That's not fair to him. That's not fair to me, frankly. It's not fair to you because life is so short to be not giving your best and your all to whatever it is that you're doing. So I knew if I kept going, I, I could probably go through and do the motions and everything, but that's not the way I wanted to live. And I lived that way for a long time. and yeah, that was like probably one of the hardest things that I've ever done, but, with the support of my, spouse, thankfully we were able to make that decision.

Dr. Gray, Host 8:04

Oh, that's so good. and your life is such a great example of, the responsibility and how that raises us as humans. Cause that was, so much of your childhood and then so much of who you are now. But then also balancing that with freedom and, that rugged individualism that it's I don't care what anybody else thinks I'm doing, what I'm meant to do, and it's such a neat balance of that to see that, so you're honoring your family and your culture in that you, you got your family to a safe, secure place. And then breathing that sigh of relief, okay, now, now it's time to, to focus on my freedom and that's, and I think that, that deep sense of how important having that freedom is to you to explore. you know, so you were saying, how. in the Indian culture. It's doctor, lawyer an engineer. So when my parents have always held back and not telling me what to do in my life, cause they figured out if they did that, that, it would backfire. But one time I was telling them, and I wasn't pre-med in college. And at the end of my senior year, I told my parents, I'm like, maybe I want to be pre-med, go to a post-bac and all that. And they were like, oh, we thought you were going to be an engineer. Like there, they were like, they really wanted me, that was they didn't tell me, but th that was what they wanted me to do. And I think it's so funny because.'cause, they didn't really want me to be a doctor. It was so much more appealing. Cause I was like, I know it's my decision because they, and I've never questioned my desire to be a doctor because I know it was a hundred percent me wanting it and coming to the decision on my own and whatever specialty, like all of that was my decision and there's something so powerful about that. It's I own that instead of, it, it would have been messier if it was also their dream.

Dr. Shehzad Batliwala 9:52

Yeah, that man, that is so insightful because yeah, you, you hit it on the head. That's exactly right. A sense of autonomy is very important, right? In any decision that you made, yeah. You know what? This was my decision. I own it for good or for bad. This is my doing. And I never felt that way about medicine. I, yes, it was my decision, To take the MCAT to apply. obviously I did all of those things. They didn't just magically happen, but what was driving those steps, was, a much bigger dream that my parents had for me. And it was my loyalty to them in my love for them that made me continue on that path and take those actions.

Dr. Gray, Host 10:38

Mm.

Dr. Shehzad Batliwala 10:38

But that came at the expense of autonomy and you feel it right? We're very smart people. Human beings are our, our brain is a powerful thing and at some level in your brain, You feel it there's this uneasiness like this isn't really me, this isn't really what I want to be doing. And I guess that's what they call intuition or a gut feeling or whatever, but you got to listen to that voice at some point, you have to listen to that voice because if you don't, I think that's the source of the majority of happiness that people feel. I really believe that. So yeah, you were very insightful in making that comment. And that's why the MBA that I applied to and am now in the middle of that was my decision fully, that was I'm a huge fan of space, everything to do with NASA and astronautics and outer space and the stars. And as I did an internship at NASA studying, the vision issues that astronauts have in space. Um, and so I've done a lot of work. And, but, the entrepreneur in me was like, well, I have this burning desire for space because I think something really magical happens when you look at earth from outer space, right? When you look at the thin blue atmosphere, that's the only thing that is keeping us alive. You get this overwhelming sense of unity, That we are on all on spaceship earth. And all of humanity is in this together, right? Space has a critical role in breaking boundaries and, your artificial, social construct that we have that create a divisiveness between us. So space is unifying and I love space because of that. And the entrepreneur in me was very curious about the space economy, right? What is space going to do? For the economy of the world. And so I started looking at this space, commercialization and things like that. And I realized man, this is one of the biggest things that's going to happen in my lifetime. And the next 10 to 20 years, the space economy is going to be a multi-trillion dollar industry. and I have zero doubt in my mind thinks that Elon Musk, that we're going to be able to buy a ticket and go to space. And so that's one of my bucket list. Things that I want to do in my life is I want to go to space. Um,

Dr. Gray, Host 13:00

that's fascinating. I love that. I've never heard that. well, I've never talked to anyone that's gone on any of these trips to look at the earth from that angle. But I imagine that would be so amazing. I love the way that you describe it. Um, and it's, it goes so much with what you were saying too. both of us were raised in the us and it is that merge, right? Like we're examples of, we, we want to honor our family and we are loyal to our family and, I wouldn't change that, that I come from a different culture, but then, I also love the autonomy and the freedom that's part of American culture. And so that can be unified, that's such a powerful.

Dr. Shehzad Batliwala 13:37

Yeah, that's very insightful of you to say that. I think that's part of why I feel that way. a lot of it has to do with my immigrant roots. sort of, you know, supplanted in the U S and, and grew up in this amalgam of diversity, that we have in the country. So I think I have this, you and I, and other immigrants share this unique perspective of looking at diversity from a different angle. And somehow that just lends itself, um, to unity, and yeah, so I, I really love space for that. I wanted to explore those options further. So I applied for this MBA and, and it's been absolutely amazing. I do that, like I said, part time, so yeah, I'm living life on my own terms right now. I'm daring to dream as a physician, as you say,

Dr. Gray, Host 14:27

Oh, I love it. This is so amazing. And that's so cool. I didn't even know that they have MBAs for, for space economy. is this the only one out there?

Dr. Shehzad Batliwala 14:37

Yeah, it's the only it's actually called it. So it's a master's degree in global management with an emphasis on space, business, leadership, and policy. So it's basically a mouthful. essentially it boils down to an MBA for the space economy. Uh, it's not exactly an MBA, but it's the most, it's the closest thing out there. And it's the only program of its kind it's through the Arizona state university, which is like just this amazing high-tech, campus in Phoenix, Arizona. So yeah, I'm having a blast. I'm, there's, twenty-something of us in the class and I am, I'm the only doctor in the class. I'm the only ophthalmologist in the class and I'm surrounded by NASA engineers and rocket scientists and, McKinsey consultants and just really amazing people. the experience is so diverse and I think that's why I like it so much, diversity just really meshes well with my curiosity. So I love it.

Dr. Gray, Host 15:32

Um, and, just as I see you describe this, when did you enroll in this program? By the way?

Dr. Shehzad Batliwala 15:38

it started January of 20, 22,

Dr. Gray, Host 15:40

Okay. so this is, so basically you, um, quote unquote dropped out of your, fellowship and then started this program. Yeah. cause as I hear you talk about, this experience that you have with this program, I see you light up as you talk about, space and your longterm fascination, even as a child with space, and then you're talking about this, I see you light up and you know that right there, like that was the right decision, For you to, because it's it's not that you quit your fellowship it's that you got involved in something that you're so excited about and that you're, makes you smile. Just thinking about.

Dr. Shehzad Batliwala 16:15

A hundred percent. Yeah. That's what I told myself at least. And, and I'll tell you the other reason that you just brought up, ever since childhood space has fascinated me. And I think part of it is because. in, in all of these challenges, with my mom's stuff and my immigration stuff, the thing that kept me going, and it may sound cliche, but it was the stars, It was just stepping outside of my home, looking up at the night sky and you see the stars and you see the vastness of the universe. And you just see how much there is out there.

Dr. Gray, Host 16:49

Yeah.

Dr. Shehzad Batliwala 16:49

And that perspective for me, it leaves just always calmed me down. It's soothing to me. And it, um, served as a, almost like a comparison to how minimal my problems were. As grand as they were in my mind. In the grand scheme of the universe and the cosmos, they were like a blip in the radar. so it, whatever you gotta tell yourself, right? Whatever you have to tell yourself to just minimize your problems and shift your mindset. So that's what space did for me. I think that's probably one of the other reasons why I just love it so much.

Dr. Gray, Host 17:26

Oh, I love that. You can't get more expansive than space. and as we, go through therapy or coaching, or, self-development, it's all, it's that openness and that desire to expand our minds, expand our sort of our sense of what's the world. And that expansiveness is. So that sense of expanding is so important and that's exactly what spaces,

Dr. Shehzad Batliwala 17:49

Yes, exactly. Very well put.

Dr. Gray, Host 17:51

I love that so much. and the, the other thing I would, I mean, I could talk to you for hours, just add, but, um, the other thing that I want to ask you about that I'm so fascinated by, from your history is this, this entrepreneurial side, I got the sense that it started out of necessity. It started out of this, hustling as an immigrant. Like, we got to put food on the table and, and pay the bills, but what you learn from that, because most physicians, especially at 31 years old, wouldn't have any exposure even to entrepreneurship. so tell me more about, that side of your interests.

Dr. Shehzad Batliwala 18:28

Yeah, you don't, I'm still exploring that. Um, and that's, crazy to say, right? Because I have a small business and all of this stuff that I have done. But like you said, it came from a place of necessity. It came from this place. Survival, because if I didn't have that, then you know, there may not be food on the table. things were really dark and dire at times. So I mentioned the, know, the smartphone ER, and how that's started as a necessity and kind of this thing for survival that I had to do. Over the years, I think entrepreneurship for me has just become a lifestyle if you will. I equate entrepreneurship to, obviously money, right? Financial success, but more importantly, freedom. When I think of entrepreneurship, I think of freedom, the freedom to do what freedom to do, whatever you want, freedom to live your life, the way you want the freedom to make an impact in the way that you want. So when I think of entrepreneurship, I think of freedom. I think of impact. I think of, leadership, financial success, organizational success, mentorship, mentee relationships, right? I think, all of those things, when I think of entrepreneurship, that really make me super excited. like for example, impact, I know that I want to have an impact in the future of space travel, 100%, cause it just fascinates me so much. That field itself fascinates me so much. And the reason to do that MBA is, if I. Figure out where within the space economy ecosystem, I want to make an impact. I think that the next steps will be to lay out my life. That gets me closer to that goal. I don't know exactly what that is, but I know that impact in the space world is an important part of my legacy in my life. Um, and so I think that's where entrepreneurship is going to be an important role in my life. The other thing is, mental health and the immigration system are very close to my heart. You know, I have intimate experience with both of those things and nonprofits are a great way to make an impact. in whatever topic or whatever issue you want to make an impact then, and non-profits, even though they're not, a profitable mentioned necessarily they require an element of leadership, strong leadership, and strong entrepreneurial kind of mentality to, to raise funds and, meet with folks and movers and shakers in those ecosystems. and that takes an entrepreneurial approach, To make those types of impacts so that I think that's where entrepreneurs fits in. For me, it started as a necessity, and as a mechanism to survive that equated with money. But as time goes on and, money starts to become less and less of a traumatic subject. I see entrepreneurship as a vehicle to make an impact in issues that I am very passionate about and that I believe strongly in, if financial success comes as a by-product of those ventures, that's great. If not, then at least I make an impact in topics that I believe in. Um, and then a small part of that, is some of the real estate stuff that I'm doing. entrepreneurship can be used to achieve financial success or to make an impact. I think for me, real estate is the financial success arm of entrepreneurship, Because of passive income and, all of those things that, that you already know about and our circles talk about. I, I want to get to a point where I don't have to worry about my day-to-day bills and things like that. I don't have to worry about, my lifestyle. I'm not doing a job to support my lifestyle. I'm doing work that is contributing positively to society with, or without the monetary gain. But, you got to pay the bills. So for me, it real estate, becomes a vehicle to get to that point, to have some passive income streams going, such that at some point, I can dedicate my time. Pro bono or however, I want to, whatever I want, but not having to worry about the day-to-day. So that's where real estate comes into play for me. And that's why I'm doing a lot of that.

Dr. Gray, Host 22:52

Oh, I loved your description of, your evolution as an entrepreneur, starting from doing it out of necessity and, money scar city or money trauma, and then coming to this. Big goal of, the expansiveness of space and, making an impact in that way. and I love, I, I love that description. I've never quite heard it that way. it makes so much sense and, I've heard, think about it in different pieces and I would just add, and you made a point in your, in the posts that, that, inspire me to reach out to, for this interview that you were so happy, right? When you got your us citizenship or your green card that you're like, I'm so grateful to be a part of this country. and I feel the same way. I got my green card, I think when I was 16, the us, as many criticisms as people may have with this country, and that's fine. Cause I'm glad this is a place where we can openly criticize this country, but it's the place where you can achieve that. that entrepreneurial evolution that you described to me is the American dream, right? You can go from, hustling and trying to just make a living and then building a business, and then growing so much as an individual, having that freedom to grow so that you're, you're not, you have the freedom of not just worry about money, right. To work. And then to give back, to have an impact in the world and to do that, and for you to do that in 31 years, to me, that's amazing to grow in that mindset, but, you know, you're just this beautiful example of the American dream.

Dr. Shehzad Batliwala 24:27

I really appreciate you saying that I could not agree with you more in terms of what opportunities this country provides for its citizens. I am a proud us citizen. I got my green card in my early twenties and That's really what allowed me to go to medical school. And I got my citizenship in 2015, and I'll never forget that they had. took my oath, right? Because that, for such a long time in my life, that felt like a dream that felt like a reality that may never come to fruition, with all the legal troubles and stuff. But, um, that's what opened doors for me to do my internship at the Johnson space center with NASA. And that's what allowed me to really be who I am today as an ophthalmologist. So my story without a doubt would not be possible in any other country except the United States. Right? yeah, I am the, um, one of the living examples of the American dream as are so many other immigrants and other folks in this country, so yeah, I couldn't agree more. I would not, give up my citizenship for anything. I sometimes jokingly say that, my blue passport is my superpower, right? If you have a blue passport that says United States of America and your name. that's it game over. There's nothing that you cannot accomplish. Um, I passionately believe that

Dr. Gray, Host 25:49

That's such a powerful thought. I love that. And it's true. as you're describing space, I keep going back to that description, but I love it so much. so I live in Vermont. I live in rural Vermont and I grew up outside of Washington DC. And, I don't think I ever saw the stars until maybe um, the summer, before college, I went on a camping trip and all of a sudden. Wow. That's the Milky way. And like this is amazing. you could see a few stars right from the city, but you don't see the whole sky. and so I just remember that first time that I saw the whole night sky when I was camping and remembering how amazing it was and now where I live, if the clouds are clear and the moon is not out, I see the Milky way for my house, I just look up and it's there. and so thank you for reminding me of how, what an amazing view and a vision that is. So I'm actually gonna, I'm going to enjoy that more. Um, I'm going to look up more because it's so easy, know, I get home and I'm just, dashing to the door. And so now I'm going to look up more if I go home and it's, there's a perfect night sky out there.

Dr. Shehzad Batliwala 26:57

Yeah. Yeah, no, you're welcome. And I'm so glad you said that, um, astronauts call this the orbital perspective. So if you look up the orbital perspective, that's how they describe it. when you go to space and you look at earth from that vantage point, you have this powerful, psychological shift. I'm not, obviously I've never experienced it, but that's one of the reasons why I want to go to space is I want to experience that for myself. But when you hear somebody, that astronauts talk about it, I it's just mind blowing. You have this psychological shift where you. Look at the things that unite us more than the things that divide us. And imagine if every single person did what you just said. if everyone just looked up more and thought about that and reflected on that powerful concept, of unity and spaces, role in unifying humanity, I think we would have less conflicts, in the world and more peace and love. And that's what we can hope for. So

Dr. Gray, Host 27:56

Um, thank you so much. This has been such an amazing conversation. Shazad I really, um, see, I, like I said, I always trust my intuition and I'm never wrong. this is so amazing.

Dr. Shehzad Batliwala 28:08

that's

Dr. Gray, Host 28:09

so tell us a little bit about what you're up to. Okay. I know it's not a completely formed project yet, we gotta get, tell our listeners how to follow you, because they're going to want to follow you after listening to.

Dr. Shehzad Batliwala 28:20

Yeah. no, I appreciate you asking. So I'm working on a, blog and podcast called visionary doc. Um, and I've been, thinking about this since 2018. In my first year of residency, I was like, man, I really want to create a platform where I can talk about some of these things, so much of what we have actually covered in this conversation, um, is really going to be some of the content that I wanted to dig deeper into, you know? So I'm going to talk about entrepreneurship and its role in my life. I'm going to talk about space and the space economy in the orbital perspective.=I'm going to talk about politics, immigration, specifically, um, mental health. and the stigma around it and what we can do, um, to combat that stigma. I'm going to talk about medical training and medicine. So it's basically a platform where I'm going to talk about all of my interests. And one of my goals is to keep it as raw and as real as possible. I sometimes in the digital age of social media, you get confused between what's real and what's not, you know, and so I want to have a very open and raw, discussion on these topics. Visionary implies, obviously I'm an ophthalmologist was a play on words, but, visionary implies that you have this futuristic outlook on life and you have this optimistic attitude towards life, which I a hundred percent do. And it also implies a and element of perseverance and struggle that someone has overcome, because I think that, that overcoming of struggle helps you think in a way that is future oriented. Um, and it also implies a little bit of, controversy, right? some of the topics I'm going to discuss, they will be a little bit unconventional and unorthodox and topics that are maybe a little bit, inflammatory, but th the point is not to obviously instigate trouble. The point is to have an open dialogue about some of these. Challenging concepts, that don't get a lot of attention and then hopefully to inspire and empower people, with the content as well. So it's been a project in the making for a long time and, um, I'm excited to get it off the ground.

Dr. Gray, Host 30:35

Oh, I'm excited too. I can't wait. Yeah. Do you have a website?

Dr. Shehzad Batliwala 30:41

it's called a visionary.dot com.

Dr. Gray, Host 30:44

All right.

Dr. Shehzad Batliwala 30:45

pretty plain right now. It's got a, few blog posts and things like that, but excited to get it going.

Dr. Gray, Host 30:51

Oh, fantastic. So visionary.dot com. And can people reach you through that website

Dr. Shehzad Batliwala 30:56

Yes,

Dr. Gray, Host 30:57

social media?

Dr. Shehzad Batliwala 30:59

yeah, my, my Twitter and Instagram handles are revisionary doc and, um, there's a, a section on the website to get ahold of me as well.

Dr. Gray, Host 31:07

Oh, fantastic. All right. Well, I'm not on Twitter, but I'm on Instagram. So I'm going to follow you.

Dr. Shehzad Batliwala 31:11

Awesome. Thank you. Yeah. And I just want to thank you as well for one, inviting me on your podcast and to just asking really, curious and poignant questions. I think it speaks to a lot about your natural predisposition to be a really good podcast, or you're just like naturally curious about people. And I can see that, a lot of times, like you had said, You sometimes have prepared scripts and questions and things like that. And sometimes it feels a little bit artificial, but, you have a very natural, innate curiosity about people. And I think that, um, is a very inspiring thing about you. So I, I'm hoping to take that with me when I do my podcast interviews and I, look forward to having you on my podcast.

Dr. Gray, Host 31:57

Oh, I would love it. and thank you for your kind words about curiosity. curiosity is one of those things I think as a child. and I don't know why, but, for whatever that whatever's happening in life, it may take away some of that curiosity. And it's a muscle that I want to keep, I want to build. I want to, build that muscle. And yeah, I'm hoping that the older I get, the more curious I get.

Dr. Shehzad Batliwala 32:22

That's inspiring me too.